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		<title>Comment on Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+ by Phoenix SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/using-head-content-as-schema-org-microdata-for-google/#comment-3613</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly for +Snippets it’s an either/or situation, since Google will consume and regurgitate either.. so many great points in this blog, thank you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly for +Snippets it’s an either/or situation, since Google will consume and regurgitate either.. so many great points in this blog, thank you!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+ by Riveting description &#124; Familybateman</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/using-head-content-as-schema-org-microdata-for-google/#comment-3611</link>
		<dc:creator>Riveting description &#124; Familybateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+Some of the products sold by the company are Aeroshell, Equipment Description, Non Destructive Testing, Deriveting And Riveting, Aircraft Wheels Brakes, &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+Some of the products sold by the company are Aeroshell, Equipment Description, Non Destructive Testing, Deriveting And Riveting, Aircraft Wheels Brakes, &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Schema.org Means for SEO and Beyond by Martin Hepp</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/what-schema-org-means-for-seo-and-beyond/#comment-3609</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two related FAQs from the GoodRelations wiki:

&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_are_the_business_benefits_of_using_GoodRelations.3F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What are the business benefits of using GoodRelations?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_can_I_prevent_my_competitors_from_abusing_my_rich_markup.3F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How can I prevent my competitors from abusing my rich markup?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;/ul&gt;


Best

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two related FAQs from the GoodRelations wiki:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_are_the_business_benefits_of_using_GoodRelations.3F" rel="nofollow">What are the business benefits of using GoodRelations?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_can_I_prevent_my_competitors_from_abusing_my_rich_markup.3F" rel="nofollow">How can I prevent my competitors from abusing my rich markup?</a></li>
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<p>Best</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Schema.org Means for SEO and Beyond by Aaron Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/what-schema-org-means-for-seo-and-beyond/#comment-3608</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for you comment, Martin, with which I agree.  Costs are always relative to benefit, and as you point out there are considerable benefits to publishers by marking up resources in a way that search engines (and other parsers) can understand.

No &quot;spidering costs&quot; are saved when search engine robots visit sites with structured markup, as they&#039;re there to index the content one way or the other.  Whether it&#039;s schema.org microdata, microformats or RDFa, structured markup is a way of provisioning the search engines with more exact information about a site than can be delivered at the presentation layer alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for you comment, Martin, with which I agree.  Costs are always relative to benefit, and as you point out there are considerable benefits to publishers by marking up resources in a way that search engines (and other parsers) can understand.</p>
<p>No &#8220;spidering costs&#8221; are saved when search engine robots visit sites with structured markup, as they&#8217;re there to index the content one way or the other.  Whether it&#8217;s schema.org microdata, microformats or RDFa, structured markup is a way of provisioning the search engines with more exact information about a site than can be delivered at the presentation layer alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Schema.org Means for SEO and Beyond by Martin Hepp</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/what-schema-org-means-for-seo-and-beyond/#comment-3607</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I think you are wrong in your assessment, for the following reasons: Structured data in Web content makes it easier for search engines to extract detailed information about the focus and content of your page; it is mainly not about reducing &quot;costs&quot;, but about increasing the level of detail of extracted information and increasing the confidence that the information was extracted correctly.

Search engines use this e.g. to predict the likelihood that they should show your site in the list of possibly matching sites for a given query.

You, as a site-owner or &quot;common man&quot;, as you term it, get back more and more qualified traffic from the search engines.

If you do not want search engines to touch your site because you think they are evil, simply tell them they are unwanted via robots.txt.

Best

Martin Hepp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I think you are wrong in your assessment, for the following reasons: Structured data in Web content makes it easier for search engines to extract detailed information about the focus and content of your page; it is mainly not about reducing &#8220;costs&#8221;, but about increasing the level of detail of extracted information and increasing the confidence that the information was extracted correctly.</p>
<p>Search engines use this e.g. to predict the likelihood that they should show your site in the list of possibly matching sites for a given query.</p>
<p>You, as a site-owner or &#8220;common man&#8221;, as you term it, get back more and more qualified traffic from the search engines.</p>
<p>If you do not want search engines to touch your site because you think they are evil, simply tell them they are unwanted via robots.txt.</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Martin Hepp</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Schema.org Means for SEO and Beyond by webstatsart</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/what-schema-org-means-for-seo-and-beyond/#comment-3603</link>
		<dc:creator>webstatsart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK fellas.. so now we build a new web development program that forces us to seamlessly comply to the schema? In the schema of things I am curious to know if this is being implemented to save spidering costs of huge sites. It has no benefit to the common man whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK fellas.. so now we build a new web development program that forces us to seamlessly comply to the schema? In the schema of things I am curious to know if this is being implemented to save spidering costs of huge sites. It has no benefit to the common man whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+ by Aaron Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/using-head-content-as-schema-org-microdata-for-google/#comment-3601</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, when I posted the link to this article the Like button plugin mangled my description, at once proving Google does take the +Snippet (did they really have to coin that?) from OG tags and validating your point about conflicts.

I like your analogy about extra credit.  Whether employing microdata in addition to Open Graph (and, for that matter, in addition to the standard HTML meta tags) is base or extra credit really depends on who consumes the data and how the data is used.

Certainly for +Snippets it&#039;s an either/or situation, since Google will consume and regurgitate either.  On a broader scale ... who knows?  (Unsurprisingly, perhaps, Google Custom Search allows you to use  microformats, RDFa, microdata and &lt;meta&gt; tags to customize Site Search results, but not Open Graph tags.)  Widespread microdata adoption would settle the issue, but we won&#039;t be calling microdata adoption &quot;widespread&quot; anytime soon.  On the flip side, although OG adoption in the form of the ubiquitous like button is broad, most webmasters don&#039;t pay much attention to data encoded in the underlying Open Graph tags (if they&#039;re even aware of their existence).

So - just looking at a typical resource title - we&#039;ve got &lt;title&gt;, itemprop=&quot;name&quot; and property=&quot;og:title&quot; all referencing exactly the same data.  While one could see why using, say, the schema.org CivicStructure property might have a particular benefit, using different types of structured markup for the same standard data types is indeed a pain.  Less like extra credit than just flat out extra work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, when I posted the link to this article the Like button plugin mangled my description, at once proving Google does take the +Snippet (did they really have to coin that?) from OG tags and validating your point about conflicts.</p>
<p>I like your analogy about extra credit.  Whether employing microdata in addition to Open Graph (and, for that matter, in addition to the standard HTML meta tags) is base or extra credit really depends on who consumes the data and how the data is used.</p>
<p>Certainly for +Snippets it&#8217;s an either/or situation, since Google will consume and regurgitate either.  On a broader scale &#8230; who knows?  (Unsurprisingly, perhaps, Google Custom Search allows you to use  microformats, RDFa, microdata and <meta> tags to customize Site Search results, but not Open Graph tags.)  Widespread microdata adoption would settle the issue, but we won&#8217;t be calling microdata adoption &#8220;widespread&#8221; anytime soon.  On the flip side, although OG adoption in the form of the ubiquitous like button is broad, most webmasters don&#8217;t pay much attention to data encoded in the underlying Open Graph tags (if they&#8217;re even aware of their existence).</p>
<p>So &#8211; just looking at a typical resource title &#8211; we&#8217;ve got &lt;title&gt;, itemprop=&#8221;name&#8221; and property=&#8221;og:title&#8221; all referencing exactly the same data.  While one could see why using, say, the schema.org CivicStructure property might have a particular benefit, using different types of structured markup for the same standard data types is indeed a pain.  Less like extra credit than just flat out extra work.</meta></p>
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		<title>Comment on Using Head Content as Schema.org Microdata for Google+ by AJ Kohn</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/using-head-content-as-schema-org-microdata-for-google/#comment-3600</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked on this a few months ago I gave up on the Schema structure because it seemed to break the testing tools at best and actually create conflicts at worst. 

In particular, the Facebook snippet got mangled when you tried to have meta, micro and OG tags all at once.

Now, I was at the end of my rope at that point so perhaps I just didn&#039;t push on through to figure out how to make it all work in harmony but ... that&#039;s sort of the problem. 

Both platforms use meta and OG tags to cobble together their snippets so while the Schema stuff is interesting it&#039;s sort of like extra credit in summer school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked on this a few months ago I gave up on the Schema structure because it seemed to break the testing tools at best and actually create conflicts at worst. </p>
<p>In particular, the Facebook snippet got mangled when you tried to have meta, micro and OG tags all at once.</p>
<p>Now, I was at the end of my rope at that point so perhaps I just didn&#8217;t push on through to figure out how to make it all work in harmony but &#8230; that&#8217;s sort of the problem. </p>
<p>Both platforms use meta and OG tags to cobble together their snippets so while the Schema stuff is interesting it&#8217;s sort of like extra credit in summer school.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are Facebook Comments Spiderable?  Implications for SEO by SEO Company Delhi</title>
		<link>http://www.seoskeptic.com/are-facebook-comments-spiderable-implications-for-seo/#comment-3598</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Company Delhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks casinoshark, your link is very informative and to the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks casinoshark, your link is very informative and to the point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Schema.org Means for SEO and Beyond by schema.org可能面临的几个挑战 &#171; 语义噪声</title>
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		<dc:creator>schema.org可能面临的几个挑战 &#171; 语义噪声</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 这是一个语义网从day one就不断折磨所有业内人士的问题。添加元数据需要很大的投入，这个投入会有多大的回报？回报的周期有多快？以前几大搜索引擎不支持元数据，搞得大家没有动力来搞。现在有了schema.org，SEO（搜索引擎优化）业开始是很激动的。可是从现在的公开的结果看，schema的采用好像不是很踊跃——当然，我的资料来源很有限，观察未必准确。我问了一个终端用户，人家也确实是觉得schema.org是个好东西，投了钱和人力来搞。可是一两个月下来，网页的排名没有什么变化，直接去问Google，有这样那样的原因，不能在短期内给它的业务带来现金流的好处，那这个终端用户还有兴趣再投钱吗？Google的搜索引擎和schema.org的集成，似乎还不是很紧密，特别是没有立竿见影的那种效果。我相信三巨头都在努力达到这种效果，但看起来还有很长的路要走。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 这是一个语义网从day one就不断折磨所有业内人士的问题。添加元数据需要很大的投入，这个投入会有多大的回报？回报的周期有多快？以前几大搜索引擎不支持元数据，搞得大家没有动力来搞。现在有了schema.org，SEO（搜索引擎优化）业开始是很激动的。可是从现在的公开的结果看，schema的采用好像不是很踊跃——当然，我的资料来源很有限，观察未必准确。我问了一个终端用户，人家也确实是觉得schema.org是个好东西，投了钱和人力来搞。可是一两个月下来，网页的排名没有什么变化，直接去问Google，有这样那样的原因，不能在短期内给它的业务带来现金流的好处，那这个终端用户还有兴趣再投钱吗？Google的搜索引擎和schema.org的集成，似乎还不是很紧密，特别是没有立竿见影的那种效果。我相信三巨头都在努力达到这种效果，但看起来还有很长的路要走。 [...]</p>
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